Today Kristin visits with another kindred spirit in the “gathering well” tribe–Amy Hannon. After almost 13 years as a wedding stationer, Amy pursued her dream of opening a kitchen boutique in her community. Amy shares about her new venture, and the namesake of the enterprise–her grandmother Euna Mae–and the unique legacy she created around gatherings that left a lifetime imprint on Amy. She and Kristin also discuss the difference between “hospitality” and “entertaining” and encourage us to never shy away from get-togethers because of a crazy season of life we may be facing. They both admit that they are chronic non bed-makers, and are totally okay with just shutting the door when they have company. Together, they implore us that we don’t have to the perfect hostesses, cooks, entertainers, housekeepers–or whatever other ideals we’re trying to live up to–to have people over to our homes. Kristin’s Kitchen segment features a recipe from Amy’s new book, Love Welcome Serve: Recipes that Gather and Give.
Narrator: Desperate for a way to slow down and connect? Kristin Shell put an ordinary picnic table in her front yard and painted it turquoise. That first turquoise table became a meeting place for friends and neighbors, a place to connect, and a symbol of hospitality. Now, Kristin invites you and her special guest to join her here at the Turquoise Table Podcast. Welcome.
Kristin: Welcome to the Turquoise Table. I’m your host Kristin Schell. You know, we talk a lot on our show about connection. True connection, face to face, eye to eye, across the table. And I am known to lament how social media can take the place of that connection, but today is a different story. Today, I want to talk about how social media can be used for good, and how it is a powerful tool, when used appropriately, to connect us to folks across the miles. People whose interests mirror our own, connects us to groups that we want to be a part of in a supportive manner. And when used well, social media can be a huge blessing.
Today’s guest is someone who I actually connected with through social media. Instagram, to be exact. And I am so grateful, because we have a shared passion for cooking, and the kitchen, and gathering people, and hospitality, and it is my joy and honor to introduce you, if you don’t already know her, to Amy Hannon. Amy lives in Springdale, Arkansas, which is in the heart of the Ozark Mountains. She is married to her college sweetheart, Sam, whom she still considers to be the funniest guy in the world. They have three children, who are almost grown and flown, all of them, that you will hear about. And she’s had an incredible journey, both in ministry and motherhood, and now, really, entrepreneurship.
In May of 2014, after almost 13 years of being in the paper goods business, specifically as a wedding stationary producer, Amy pursued a dream of opening a kitchen boutique in her grandmother’s name. Her grandmother, her name was Euna Mae, and you’re going to love hearing about what she learned from her grandmother, Euna Mae, and how now this is really her passion and her ministry through her kitchen boutique in Arkansas.
Amy and I have a lot of things in common, but among them, food. Food, food, food, and hospitality. So, she loves the tactile sense of cooking dough in her hands, rolling a pie crust, but more importantly, she loves the table. She loves using the great food that she has been gifted to know how to make as an incentive, and as a delight, and to woo people to her home, and to her table.
A little after opening Euna Mae’s, she became … the NBC affiliate, KMWA, asked her to be the host of a 30-minute cooking show called Cooking Today, which began in January of 2016. It’s not in its second season, wildly popular, Amy cooks right out of her own kitchen, and has an incredible gift for simple recipes that are like knock your socks off good.
She has a new cookbook out, which we are going to talk all about, it’s called Love, Welcome, Serve: Recipes That Gather and Give, and I cannot wait for you to hear her talk about the gathering and the giving part. She has a mission that’s very similar to ours at the Turquoise Table. Amy’s hope is that she inspires hospitality for you, in your heart, and encourages you to love deeply, to welcome gladly, and to serve faithfully.
I cannot for you to meet Amy, I hope you enjoy our conversation. We are all over the map in this one. We talk about our favorite food, we talk about her journey, we clap our hands about hospitality. And you will find out that she is the cheerleader for hospitality. And so, it is my pleasure to welcome Amy to the Turquoise Table.
Kristin: Welcome to the Turquoise Table, Amy. I am so excited to have you on the show today.
Amy: I cannot believe that we’re getting to visit.
Kristin: I know. Like, okay, so here’s the thing for everybody. Amy and I have never met, but you are not going to know that from listening to us, because I feel like we’re sisters, except for the blonde, brunette thing.
Amy: I know.
Kristin: Kindred, kindred, but you know, we met on Instagram, through the powers of social media, and so I know that we talk a lot about the woes of social media.
Amy: Oh my gosh, yes.
Kristin: But it can be used for good, because you are a blessing in my life.
Amy: Thanks, well, let’s just be clear for everyone, I think I started to approach you first. And I don’t remember having … I guess it was your book?
Kristin: Yeah, maybe.
Amy: I don’t really remember, but anyway, some kind of connection, I’m like, “Oh my goodness, that girl’s got a heart for hospitality, I’ve got a heart for hospitality, maybe we can be friends, or I want her to know that this is my thing too,” and I think that’s what I said to you, maybe, in the early on, was, “Oh my goodness, this is my thing too.” And so yeah, I think I creeped you first.
Kristin: Well, I mean, creep or not creep, I know it sounds like we’re kind of on the Tinder of friendships or something.
Amy: I was going to say that, and I didn’t know if I should. I almost said Tinder.
Kristin: That, to me, and it’s not creep, here’s what I will say, and for everyone listening, this is what you need to know about Amy. She, whether it’s on social media, in her store, in her life, her house, her invitation is real. It is genuine, and you do it so like genuinely, that I don’t even feel like I’m like addicted to technology. You invite us into your life, and so that is a reflection of your book, and your ministry, and everything, and I cannot wait to dive in and just share every bit of you…
Amy: Oh, good.
Kristin: With the people that are listening, so-
Amy: Well thanks for having me, I’m really tickled. I’m really tickled.
Kristin: Well, and thank you, and I’ve given sort of a background in the introduction, but I just wanted to dive right in.
Amy: Okay, let’s do it.
Euna Mae’s: A Kitchen Boutique
Kristin: You, for the last, is it four years now you’ve been building Euna Mae’s, as-
Amy: Yes. Yes, four years. Four years on Mother’s Day weekend, so it’s … yeah.
Kristin: Wow, it’s coming up.
Kristin: Oh my goodness, okay. Well, and you’ve got a TV show. But I mean, to me it sounds like you … I want to hear the whole evolution because you started, really, as a wedding stationery…
Amy: I know, can you believe it? That feels like another whole life away. But I did it forever. I did it forever.
Kristin: Okay, well tell us that. Okay, so how did you start, tell us about being in the wedding stationery business, and then … just tell us, girl.
Amy: Well, thanks. Okay, well … I … I’m like, “Oh my gosh, where do I start and what do I tell you?” Okay, well, let me say this. My husband is a pastor in northwest Arkansas, so I’m a preacher’s wife, and I stayed at home with my kids. That was important to me. But I’ve always had a creative stirring, and always kind of wanted to have something of my own, and so I designed paper products, from home, while my babies were little. So, I could kind of do what I wanted, love on my kids, take them to the park, have their friends over, hang out with my mom friends, all those things, raise my babies, but then still I had a little something of my own that was really fun for me.
And so, I started a wedding … actually, it wasn’t even wedding, it was just paper product business that turned into a wedding invitation brand, that ended up kind of taking main stage. What was so fun, is because of the internet, and sharing files and all those things, I was able to work with brides all over world. I would design custom products for them over the course of their wedding season, and then ship them, and I got to know some really fun girls and their moms, and be part of their lives during that season, and so that’s crazy, it was super, super, super fun. So that’s what I did. I had always stayed at home, up until I opened Euna Mae’s, my kitchen store.
Kristin: I mean … you’re right, I love that you can also … you can see that, kind of now, in hindsight of where the journey has gone and how that provision was perfect during those seasons. So tell us then, so how did you … when did Euna Mae’s, four years ago, like how did that happen?
Amy: Well, I had … like I said, I’d stayed home with my kids, and done the whole classroom mom, and all the things, and taken all the food, picking everybody up and running them and their friends everywhere. And they got bigger. My youngest was 14, he started doing after school sports, so my big kids were … they were 14, 16, and 18, everybody drove, everybody started to get really busy and they just didn’t need me as much. So, I could tell that there was kind of a turning of the tides in my season. And I started to pray. “All right, Lord, what do you want to do with me in this season? Things look different. What do you want to do with me in this season?” And I’m telling you, I was not expecting what He did at all, wasn’t looking for it, it would’ve never crossed my mind, what the Lord was going to do in the next several years.
Intentionality in Hospitality
Amy: But, He started to stir me. I mean, I started to get real stirred up on the inside, I got real weepy, which I’m not generally a supremely weepy person, but I got real weepy about when I would pray, and I just kept … I went downstairs and I told my husband one day, I said, “God is about to do something, and I do not know what it is. But when I pray, I literally sob.” And I was scared, and I was excited, and the only thing that I really could tell from the Lord in that time with him, I felt like I was saying, “I’m about to do something bigger.” That’s all I got, it’s all I got.
Amy: And I didn’t know what that meant, and I was excited, and I was scared and all that. My husband is so precious. He is just wise, and he helps me think through things, and he said, “Well let’s just talk about it.” He said, “What are your burdens? What is your heart for? and I said, “Family, home, hospitality, using your home … you know, all these years of being a pastor’s wife, using our home as a weapon in a dark world to welcome people, to love people, to use my heart for being in a kitchen and making food for people and all that. Just to kind of be intentional in the lives of people.”
“Be intentional in the lives of people.” – Amy Hannon
And he said, “Well just start praying about that. If that’s your burden, maybe the Lord is going to give you an opportunity to do something about it.”
And I was like…
Amy: I know, I know, isn’t he so smart?
Kristin: The benefits of having a pastor husband.
Amy: I’m telling you, he is just such a smart cookie, he’s so handy to have.
And so anyway, I started to pray, and I’m not kidding you, there were probably … I had some moments.
Building A Hospitality Platform
Amy: I was reading Shauna Niequist’s book, Bread and Wine, I loved it so much that I couldn’t … again with the weepy. I couldn’t read a chapter without crying. I would reread whole sections like four times, just over and over because I’m like, “Oh my gosh, that’s so good, that’s my heart.”
It was very instrumental in what the Lord was stirring up in me, and we had conversations with people at the grocery store, and we would have people over for Community Group, and I’d cook a little something, and I would put it in a pretty dish and people would say, “Oh my gosh, where can I get the recipe?” And, “How do you do this?” And, “Help me to have a hospitable home.” And, “What does that look like?” And, “What are your keys, if I only had to do three things, what would encourage me in this?”
And I thought, “Oh my goodness, is this what the Lord is doing? Like a hospitality platform, is that what He’s nudging me toward?” And it was. I mean, without question, all the peace in the world, no more weeping, only excitement, a lot of confidence that the Lord was preparing me in that season. And so y’all, this was only … well, yeah, four years ago. And I just … I opened Euna Mae’s, I opened a little kitchen store down the street, I wanted to be able to be out of my house for the first time in all the years. I wanted to have a reason to shower. And … you know what I mean. And just be with people. I had raised my babies, and I thought, “You know what, people are my thing, and so if I’m not with my kids between 8:00 a.m. and 5:30, who can I be with in this season?” And it was people and this burden I had for hospitality.
So, I opened this little kitchen store right down the street, and the Lord has just lit fire to it, and it’s just been really fun, and a surprise, and a treat, and scary, and wonderful. So, there’s that.
Kristin: You are being incredibly humble, because you describe it as a little kitchen boutique down the street, and that may be physically kind of the way you feel about it, but it’s a destination boutique, let’s be honest. It is stunning, I haven’t obviously been there yet, but…But just the way you share on Instagram, and through social media, like I just want to curl up in every corner of that. And obviously people across America feel the same way, because yeah, it’s not so little anymore, is it? And that’s … it’s just your obedience, right?
Amy: Well, you’re sweet, I always say it’s a tiny store with a big heart. I mean, it’s not big.
Kristin: There you go.
Amy: It’s not Magnolia, and it’s not The Mercantile, but it’s real special. And I just … I’ll unpack product and I’ll go down there at night, I’ll get up early, and I’ll come in the mornings before everybody gets there, and I just walk around, out loud, telling the Lord, “Just do what you want here.”
So, for me, yes, I sell the prettiest product ever, it’s so precious, and beautiful and I just love it, but the product, to me, is the trick that gets people into a place that we’ve asked God to be really special, and present in, and the connecting that happen inside the walls of my itty-bitty store is what it really was all about for me.
Kristin: Oh, I love that. And I love that … and I often describe sort of the Turquoise Table in those same kind of words-
Kristin: I often say, “It’s the old Wednesday night church supper.”
Kristin: It’s, “you bring them in for the food, and then they stay for the nourishment.”
“You bring them in for the food, and then they stay for the nourishment.” – Kristin Schell
Kristin: And that’s what you’re doing with Euna Mae’s.
Love, Welcome, Serve
Kristin: Well, I love that it’s so tangible, and I want to … okay, so your new book is out and y’all … Okay, first of all, I have to get another one, because mine already has grease stains on it and some smears, and I love that, but I kind of want a pretty one. I mean, a less used one as well, but y’all, this cookbook is incredible. But before we dive into all of that, it’s called Love, Welcome, Serve. And those three words have been … it’s the title of your book, but it’s also the tagline on everything you do.
Amy: So, I have about five million little people like running circles in my head at all times, right? So, I don’t remember things very well. But I’m telling you, I have these “ultra-moments” with the Lord in this process of changing seasons, of taking these scary steps of obedience to do something I’ve never done before, because He was stirring me to do it. And I had this moment, where I sat down with the Lord, and I was feeling like, “Oh my goodness, I think it’s a hospitality platform.”
Again, I wasn’t exactly sure what that was going to look like. Was it just a food blog? Was it a product line, was …I just didn’t know.
I was praying, and I was reading my Bible, and I went to 1 Peter 4, about how we should live with one another, and how we should treat one another, and the shortened version of it is, that we should love one another deeply, because love covers a multitude of sins, so I loved…the commands in there, were to love deeply, to offer hospitality without grumbling, and so…
“We should love one another deeply, because love covers a multitude of sins.” Amy Hannon, quoting 1 Peter 4.
Amy: I know, I know, right, we need to have that tattooed..especially with all the holidays and the things all around us in the spring and summer, it’s like you have to kind to put that over your oven when you’re kind of stirring things. You’re like, “All right, I’m not going to grumble, I’m not going to grumble.” So, I took that as we would want to welcome gladly. And then serve faithfully, so that in all things, God may be praised. So, I just shortened love deeply, welcome gladly, and serve faithfully, the commands in 1 Peter 4:8-11 through 11. And just shortened it to love, welcome, serve. And so that is my purpose statement.
Kristin: I love that.
Amy: It’s my purpose statement. And then, I’m telling you what, these are those surprises where I’m like, “Lord, you’re so funny, you knew. You knew!” I was staring … I was a chicken, I just didn’t probably trust big enough and expect big enough, and “love, welcome, serve” has resonated with so many people. And you know–Turquoise Table, it is striking a chord in a world of people who are disconnected. So, when you start to toot the horn of open your home, open your heart, be intentional in the lives of people, look around you at ways to serve people, use the comfort of food, and the table to get into their lives, I mean, people are like, “What? I’m going to do it. I’m doing it. I’m in, I’m in.”
Amy: You know. You’ve got Turquoise Tables all over the world. And that…
Kristin: I mean it’s just that aha moment, that you get when you share this with someone and her eyes just light up, and it’s just this, “I can do this,” and … it’s priceless. It is so priceless.
We Need Each Other
Amy: Yeah, it is just so fun, and I’ll tell you, and you know this too, you just get on your knees before the Lord and you’re like … To be used as an instrument, and a megaphone, to shout this message in this world that we’re living in right now, and to see it resonate with hearts, and for people to respond, it is so incredibly humbling that God is using us in this field, in this world, to encourage women to live out this command. And the life that they’re missing by not opening their homes and their hearts, we’re missing out on some of God’s greatest blessings. And so yeah, I’m just … you know, again with the weepy, I could get really weepy just because I’m grateful. I’m grateful that God is using me. And you, I mean, it’s the reason I hunted you down. Because I’m like, “This is me. This is my thing.”
“The life that they’re missing by not opening their homes and their hearts, we’re missing out on some of God’s greatest blessings.” – Amy Hannon
Kristin: It is, and I’m so grateful that we can link arms and with so many others too, because , the whole message of “Love, Welcome, Serve,” and the whole message of the Turquoise Table is “yeah, we’re better together, we’ve got to have each other.” And so it’s not that your goal is to make it look easy, your goal is to just say, “Come alongside me, and I promise you can do this too.” And that is hospitality. I think, to me, that embodies “Love, Welcome, Serve.”
Hospitality Vs. Entertaining
Amy: Well, and that’s my thing. Part of my story over the years, is how I get hospitality wrong. Wrong. Terribly wrong. There’s … Martha Stewart, when I was at home, and I was raising my babies, and I had littles, and I was establishing the ways of my household, and kind of the ideology of my home, and what I wanted it to be like, and all those things, Martha Stewart Living was on television, prime time. And I stayed at home, and I sat on the floor with babies and blocks, and I sat and watched Martha Stewart tell me all the things. And she’s so gifted, and so talented and all that. And then, on Pinterest, and Instagram, we just have to be really, really careful that our hearts are not set on the wrong things. And so, now are pretty flowers wonderful? I love grocery store tulips. And I have all kinds of collected like pretty plates and things like that, that is just fun, it’s just a pleasure to put those things out because I like pretty things. I used to have my heart set on those, and it was really more about people loving the way that my house looked, or that the food tasted, or are they going to compliment me, and the Lord grew me out of that, to help me realize those are just kind of supporting roles, to set the pretty scene, but it’s really about the people and their hearts.
“Part of my story over the years, is how I get hospitality wrong. Wrong. Terribly wrong.” – Amy Hannon
And so, I just got hospitality wrong early. It was really more about entertaining, and so that’s just kind of … I think part of the thing I want people to see on social media is hospitality is intentional, I call it, in my book I call it “intentional kitchening.” It’s how can I use my kitchen, everything from a beautiful pork tenderloin dinner for special friends that I just want them to feel extra treated, to slapping together quesadillas and serving them on paper towels to high school kids who walk in late at 11:30 at night and they’re starving. High school boys are always starving, they’re starving.
“Hospitality is “intentional kitchening.” – Amy Hannon
Amy: And so, it just … it’s not about the things, it’s just about the people. And so that’s part of my thing that I show people on social media just glimpses, and there’s junk everywhere, and they’re drinking out of red Solo cups, or styrofoam cups, it is just … the more authentic and the more real it is, the more impactful it is. And so, yeah, I want people to see how simple it is just to line up a bunch of kids at your table, or invite your neighbors over when you realize you’ve stirred up too much soup, and just call them and say, “I have on yoga pants, and no shoes, but we just have two cups of soup left, y’all run over and eat them with us real quick.” And for them to come in, and we have on NBC Nightly News, and the mail is on the counter, and we just serve soup, and we just eat, and visit, and connect. And that is a completely different experience now than what I used to do, and that’s just the Lord’s grace. But that’s part of the thing that I really want to get across to people on social media, and in the book. Just do it. Invite, invite, invite. And don’t panic about all the rest, let the Lord just do it. Be you, be authentic, and let God go crazy. And so, yeah, that’s it.
“It’s not about the things, it’s just about the people….be you, be authentic, and let God go crazy.” – Amy Hannon
Kristin: Wow. And that is exactly how it feels to be on the receiving end of what you do. And I love that distinction. So, I grew up in Dallas in the 1980s, so those were my high school years. So, big hair, big Texas, big, everything’s bigger. Dallas, the TV show was … Martha Stewart was there, and so I had to do the same thing, and go back through and really learn the difference between entertainment and hospitality. And I love that the Lord gave you 1 Peter to do that. Mine’s Romans 12:13, and I think that once you have that shift in your heart, I mean clearly, it shows. And so, you are just an incredible witness to that.
The Legacy of Euna Mae
Kristin: So, tell me about your grandmother. Tell me about Euna Mae.
Amy: Euna Mae. Euna Mae. She is my dad’s mama. We grew up in a small town in Arkansas, and she always lived across the street from us. At one point, it was probably a little bit more up a hill, but you know, in the 70s, you walked there when you were six years old. You didn’t even think about it. Like my mom would say, “Yeah, y’all can go to granny’s.” And me and my cousins, we would just walk up the hill like … nobody took anybody, and you just went, and we just went all around the neighborhood, and we walked up the hill, and we would play at her house, we built forts in the middle of the day, and she would have whatever were our favorites, like sweet things, and treats. And our moms and dads didn’t let us have Cokes, but she would have cold Cokes in cold bottles, or cans, in her refrigerator, because that’s what grandmother’s do, they dole out the sugar.
Amy: And she had ice cream, and push ups … push pops, push ups, the little orange … the orange ones, like the … the cream orange-
Amy: The creamsicle one.
Kristin: Oh, my word. And when you go to the bottom, like the cardboard was all like soggy in your mouth.
Amy: And you could lick it, you could lick that little pusher upper thing. So that was Euna Mae. And she hosted every holiday, every Easter, Thanksgiving and Christmas my whole life, like as long as I can remember, she was the house that her sons, their wives, and all of us grandchildren would gather there. And she just was really special, she made things from … she made a lot of things from scratch, I watched her serve … she made big breakfasts for my papa every single morning of his life, he would have eggs and bacon, or eggs and sausage and toast, every morning. She would stand in the kitchen, she’s like generation, it’s that …
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Amy: It’s that generation, I watched [my grandmother, Euna May] make gravy, I sat and watched her make fried pies, I watched her make her lemon glazed cake, which is in my cookbook, and people love it, and it’s just those memories of those days are the best. And her hospitality, and opening her home, and feeding her friends, and taking food to her Sunday School class ladies when they were grieving, or moving, or whatever, she just really modeled it for me, and … I just kind of wanted to do something in her honor. She just kind of was a hospitality cheerleader for me growing up.
And my mother is wonderful, she is precious, and she is so kind, and she makes every single person in the world feel like they matter, which I think is a gift. My mother speaks kindly to everyone, she notices people that may go unnoticed, so to me, I feel like there’s a ton of hospitality in that. That is hospitality, as well. But Euna Mae’s the one who probably taught me how to cook. And so, anyway, and it’s just a cuter store name than Brenda. The Brendas.
Kristin: I love that.
Amy: And so anyway, she’s precious. She’s real special to my mom, and my mom and dad cared for her as she had gotten older, and she’s just been real special to us our whole lives, and so I just thought, I just kind of wanted to do something in her name.
Kristin: So what did her kitchen look like, I mean are there are heirloom pieces that have like inspired the actual store Euna Mae’s, like kind of give us some visuals of …
Amy: She had … I’m trying to think. Okay, so she had three homes that I can remember as I grew up. One was a little bitty one on Main … like right down on the square in Mountain Home, Arkansas, next to the big furniture store and the bank. I mean they lived right down in the middle of like an old house and they had a garden in the back that backed up to me papa’s sister’s house, and her name was Jewel, which somebody in my family desperately needs to name somebody Jewel, because that is the most precious name ever.
Kristin: Okay, and someone in your family needs to write a novel. This is reading like a beautiful story, so…
Amy: It’s just a beautiful story. And so … I remember her fireplace in that house, I remember my papa would come, he was the bank president, he would come home in his slacks, and he would take off his dress shirt and he would be standing there just in his little tank, like a papa wife … like a sort of wife beater undershirt, and he would stand by the fire with his hands clasped behind his back, and just sit there and wait while she would cook supper. I mean, I just remember that.
And then she lived in what we call the big house, she moved up to a bigger house that she built, which is the one where I really remember us all being and gathering the most. She had a hill that we would sled on, so if it was snowy, my dad and his brothers, and the kids, we would go to Euna Mae’s house, and she would put on soup, and we would sled her hill all day long, and then we would drop our stuff at the door, she would dry it, and we would go inside and eat. My family used to Christmas carol. My dad, his two brothers, their wives, and about 10 grandchildren would meet at Euna Mae and Neil’s house, she would make soup, or dinner of some kind, we would practice Christmas caroling on the night of the 23rd, when we knew that everybody in town had their family already there. And we would drive in vans, my uncle had a van, and we had the old woody Suburban-
Amy: Or Jeep Wagoneer, we would pile in, and we would go ring people’s doorbells when we knew that they had their families in town. And we would surprise them, and we would Christmas carol. And we would all go back to Euna Mae’s and eat, and hang out and visit and talk about our favorite moments. I mean, it’s just … I think some of those warmest memories of my family always kind of go back, when we were all together, always kind of what goes back to her house. I just really love it. She had a wooden stool, that she always kept over by the telephone with the long cord.
Kristin: Yeah, of course.
Amy: Walk circles. But I would always get it, pull it away from the phone, and get it right up next to her in the kitchen, and she had a tiny kitchen, with the table that sat right out in the middle. Like, not a kitchen island, but like a maple table that sat right there, and that’s where our papa would get his breakfast and he would eat cornbread and milk.
So, I mean she just had a giant table in the living room, like out in her living room. She had to peek through from her sink into the giant table, like her dining room, so that she could see and she could be in the kitchen prepping, but she could still participate in all of the things that were happening at the table. She had a gigantic built in buffet, with glass cabinets over it with all of her stuff, and we would just … that when we would go for holidays, that’s where everything laid out was on that big buffet, and I actually, when I built the house that I’m in now, I designed a similar buffet in my formal dining room, to kind of mirror hers, like as kind of just an ode to those family gatherings, and her house. I mean, it’s just … man, it’s good stuff. It’s just good stuff.
Treasures From Yesteryear
Kristin: It is. And what do you … and I’ve seen glimpses of your house, obviously, because you’re generous to share on social media, but do you have any of her like dishes, or any of her pieces that-
Amy: Oh yes. Oh yes.
Kristin: Or treasures-
Amy: I have a Bundt pan. She’s the first person to have ever given me a Bundt pan. She gave it to me at one of my wedding showers, which was 23, 24 years ago. So, I have that, and so because she’s the first one to have ever given me one, it feels really special because I remember her giving it to me. I have a cast iron skillet that belonged to her, I have this tiny little … oh my gosh, I don’t even know the name, it’s like “Club,” I think is the name, and it’s a turquoise, you would love it, it’s a turquoise like aluminum pot that burns every single thing you put in it.
Kristin: But it sure looks good.
Amy: It might have been free with something that she probably sent in, you know those days. She mailed something in with a magazine subscription, or it came in the oatmeal box, I don’t know, but I have a tiny little pot that was hers, I have a little loaf pan that was aluminum that was hers, that has a little decal on the side. I actually have a stone, it’s old, a stone mixing bowl.
It takes both arms to pick it up, it’s what I make my biggest batches of everything in. It’s very hard to clean, because it weighs a million pounds, but it was her mother’s.
Amy: My great grandmother Langston, and so I have that, and it’s a show stopper. It’s a conversation starter, because people see it and they’re like, “Oh, there is a story about that bowl.” I’m like, “Oh yes.” It’s as heavy as like a tombstone, I mean it’s big, it’s like solid concrete.
Kristin: Wow. Well that’s your exercise for the day when you cook.
Amy: Yeah, yeah, working whatever these are called in my arms. Triceps?
Kristin: Exactly, yeah. You’re such a multitasker.
Amy: You’ve got to get that workout in when you’re writing a cookbook.
Sunday Red Beans & Rice
Kristin: Exactly. Okay, well, I want to talk about the cookbook, because it is awesome, I told you I’ve got like all the drips and spills all over mine already. And this, let me just tell you, so I’ve got four kids, and a discerning husband as well, who food is his love language, and the first recipe I made out of your book, and I’ll link to Amy’s book, but this is the Sunday Red Beans and Rice.
Kristin: And it is on page 87, and oh my … I don’t know why it was the first one, probably because I had most of the things, like you say, like “This is so easy and you probably have everything,” and I did. And oh my goodness, every … now, I can please half my crowd.
Kristin: That’s like … if I can get three or four out of … every single person, I think my oldest, our oldest, Will, who is a graduating senior, I mean he like hugged and picked me up and was like, “Mom, this is incredible.” And I think, I don’t know if I texted or emailed you, but I was like, “Oh my word,” like, and so now they talk about you … like you talk about creeper, they’re like, “Make Amy’s red beans and rice, mom.” Like you’re my next-door neighbor. It is so good, and it is … okay, I’m going to read you to you.
Amy: Okay, oh, yes.
Kristin: Is that weird?
Amy: No one’s ever read me to me before, you’re the first.
Kristin: Well here we go. I love the description in here. And so, “it’s earthy, smoky, savory, spicy, with a good rue base.” But here’s what I love, it says, “It doesn’t hurt that it’s the easiest recipe on God’s green earth.” And it is. It is so easy, and so I want everybody to go buy your book, and to try this, and here’s why. It is so easy, but your people will think that you have cooked, and cooked for days.
Amy: That’s my secret. Yes, girl, that is my thing is … I’m not a petite little flower. I’m not. And I’ll study about that book, I’m like, “Hips don’t lie, that food tastes food. That food, it eats.” But it’s not hard food. I mean that is the thing, is good flavor, good combos, totally approachable, anybody-
Kristin: That was my word. Approachable.
Amy: Anybody in the world can make everything in that book, because I don’t want there to be any hindrances to hospitality, or feeding your people, or cooking for your family. So that thrills me. Yes, it is the easiest recipe on God’s green earth, and it tastes really good. It thrills me that y’all loved it.
“I don’t want there to be any hindrances to hospitality, or feeding your people, or cooking for your family.” – Amy Hannon
Kristin: Funny. Oh my gosh, so here’s a question, because I want to … and I don’t know, because I haven’t tried it, because there’s never anything left, but it makes me want to make it like … you know, because I’m sort of that ilk that if you’re in the kitchen, one is good, two’s better, and three’s like perfect. So, do you know, I wonder if that one freezes well. I may try, and just see. Usually, I don’t know, beans and rice …
Amy: Try it.
Kristin: I’m going to try it, I’ll try it, and if you don’t know, I’ll let you know, because that was such a … it’s so incredible, like this would be a crowd pleaser for anyone and everyone,
Hospitality Through Every Season of Life
Kristin: Let’s talk a minute, though, about … because you and I are both sort of in these different seasons, where our kids are older, they’re kind of in that stage of grown and flown. But what about the mama, or the busy woman, who is juggling all the things where we’ve been? And let’s talk about, let’s talk to her for a minute, thinking like, “I don’t have time to even go to the grocery store … even if it’s easy, I can’t do it.”
Amy: Oh, I remember. I mean, I had all three of my babies in under four years. So, my oldest was three and a little by the time I had my third. I mean, it was listen, those mamas are in the trenches, you barely have time to brush your teeth, you haven’t made your bed in probably seven years, I mean that is the truth of that season of life. So, I totally…
Kristin: Okay, so can I just confess. I have to interrupt, because I still don’t make my bed.
Amy: I don’t make my bed.
Kristin: So, for anybody out there, I don’t make my bed. I was like, “Wait, I don’t want them to ever … ” I just surrendered that one years ago. I am not a bed maker.
Amy: Listen, okay, so-
Kristin: I’m getting right back in that bed.
Amy: Yes, sister, that’s what Sam says. “Why would I put those shoes up if I think I’m going to wear them tomorrow?” I’m like, “Oh my Lord, pick your battles. Pick your battles, Amy, pick your battles.”
Okay, so I will say this, so this is not food related, this is just life related, to those mothers in the trenches. I used to meet with this precious lady named Sue Eddington who modeled hospitality beautifully. Raised three godly, awesome, precious children and her husband a man of God. Love their family. So, find someone like that, that you can meet with, and just latch on like a leech. Like say, “Can I get a coffee, or can you bring a coffee to me, because I’ve got three littles and I can’t get out, but I just need … I just need you to just osmosis all over me for an hour, I just … ” and then just learn from them. And the wisdom of … you know this, you’ve got your four kids, of what you think you know when you have your first one, to what you really do know by the time you have your last one, the things you felt-
Kristin: I mean-
Amy: Oh my gosh, those poor last children are raising themselves, they’re basically raised by wolves.
Kristin: Exactly, but let’s be clear-
Amy: So, I would meet with her and I would say, “I can’t get it all done.” And this, again, Martha Stewart was preaching in my head every day, God bless her. And I was so young, trying to think I have all this pressure, and my home has to be perfect, and my husband wants the bed made, and I’ve got to have a meal on the table at … all of these things, and she said, “You know what, make … ” I said, “I feel like a failure. I can’t do it all.” And she said, “Make a list of the things that are the most important to you in the day, and just do those, and it can only be three things. Don’t try to clean everyone’s room. Don’t try to have your whole house clean at once, that doesn’t happen for hardly anyone.” And she said, “Just be real.” And she said, “What is it that needs to be done at the end of the day that will make you feel like you were on top of things, so that when you start the next day, you don’t wake up and walk into the kitchen, or the dishes in the sink, or the pillows off on the couch, or whatever is your thing. What would give you peace to start your day the next day? Just get that done at night.”
“Make a list of the things that are the most important to you in the day, and just do those, and it can only be three things. Don’t try to clean everyone’s room. Don’t try to have your whole house clean at once, that doesn’t happen for hardly anyone.” – Amy Hannon
So, she just helped me kind of process kind of in reality, how to kind of … what things to kind of tackle, and what things to value in that season, when you just are chasing kids all the time. And she said, here’s the other thing that I loved, back to the bedroom, “Just close the doors.” She did. She said, “Amy, close the doors. Who cares? Close the doors.” And I’m telling you what, I’m 45, we have had thousands of people come through my house because we’re in ministry, and we have this place as an open door. There are friends of mine I have had for 15 years who have never seen my bedroom. They’ve been in my house dozens of times, and they know if the door is closed-
Kristin: They know the door’s closed…
Amy: You are not welcome there.
Amy: You’re welcome into my life, except right there. And so, they know. They totally know. As a matter of fact, on occasion I will post a picture of my bedroom, and I’ll … because people will say, “We want to see your house,” I like, “No, you really don’t, you don’t.” And I’ll post a picture and I’ll say, “Look I made my bed today.” I mean, it’s a thing. It’s like I need to stand on an Olympic platform.
Kristin: It’s a national…
Amy: Yeah, get a medal.
Kristin: Yeah, it’s a national holiday.
Amy: It’s a national holiday, banks are closed, the mail’s not going to run. I made my bed.
Kristin: I love that. Oh my gosh…
The Power of Sweet Tea & Pizza
Amy: Well, I will say this. I think you have to be real about your season. And I think you have to let up on yourselves on expectations that, again, Pinterest is a killer. If Pinterest is putting all of the wrong messages in you, and you’re living a life filled with discontentment, then you’ve got to cut if off.
“If Pinterest is putting all of the wrong messages in you, and you’re living a life filled with discontentment, then you’ve got to cut if off.” – Amy Hannon
And so, first of all, if you’re in that season, just get rid of the things that are not telling you the right things about yourself, or about God. And then, just what does your season allow? I mean, I didn’t cook braised meat in my 20s, when I had kids, we had grilled cheese, where I’d cut the corners off, and we cubed it, and I had grapes. I mean, I lived that life. We did that. We have fruit leather, and we … whatever, mac and cheese, boxed mac and cheese, we did all of those things, but what are … just pray, “God, in my season, how can I show hospitality to my family and how can I create food memories like I have with Euna Mae? How can I do that?” Is it that on Friday nights, every Friday night, you start to establish a “This is pizza night at our house, and we’re going to make homemade pizzas, even with my littles.” Or-
Amy: Is it when in the other six nights, it’s grilled cheese? But how can I start to establish food memories inside the walls of my household, on whatever level I’m capable of in this season? And then, how can I show hospitality outside of my walls, or to people outside of my walls? It’s a playgroup. Have that mama over-
Amy: And sit on the floor, and invest in her life, and make a cake that starts with a cake mix. Or just pour coffee, I mean you were talking about sweet tea, you and I both know the power of a good sweet tea. Just-
Amy: Have sweet tea. But it’s…
Amy:…inviting them over and sitting in the floor, or sitting on the back porch while the kids play in the sprinklers, that is still hospitality.
Amy: I think we’ve just created this idea that hospitality is so complicated and complex, and has to include certain things for it to qualify. I think we have to get away-
Kristin: Right, right.
Amy: From all those things, and get back to open my home, open my heart, pour sweet tea, and invest in people’s lives. If there’s cake, hooray, if there’s a pork chop, even better, but don’t not-
Amy: Invest in people’s lives in whatever your season looks like, whoever the Lord has put in your circle at this time in your life, don’t miss out because you think it has to have all these other things. Just invite.
“Invest in people’s lives in whatever your season looks like, whoever the Lord has put in your circle at this time in your life, don’t miss out because you think it has to have all these other things. Just invite.” – Amy Hannon
Amy: And invest. That’s the bottom line.
Kristin: I mean, if it’s a half a box of Cheezits-
When All Else Fails; Bring Cake
Kristin: You know, I learned something that just has struck me and hopefully this will encourage everyone just to kind of piggyback on your wisdom, but when I … I’m kind of a word nerd, and so I love to like research what words are, they’re Hebrew, they’re Greek, they’re Latin. But did you know that the word for recipe, in the Latin, the word for recipe means both to give and receive.
Amy: Did you put that in your book?
Kristin: I don’t know if it’s in my book or not, I’ve got to go back and read my book. But I think that I probably did.
Amy: I think it is. I think it is.
Kristin: And I did not know that, but like that’s what you’re describing, like there’s a time when you … like you and I are in seasons right now where it just easier for us to give. We have the margins, we have that bandwidth, but we’ve been where those … like and to your point of just find someone, whether it’s a woman who is just a click ahead in where she’s raising her children to receive that, because I think that is … I mean, that’s the generational that you’re describing, from grandma Langston to Gracey, is that … that’s the seasons that we all go through.
You also said something a minute ago about your mother. Is it Brenda? Is that right? And you said that she does an incredible job of noticing. That is … noticing and listening to me are two of the most … like I think we skip right over that a lot of times, and if we do nothing else but notice, and you just said that, like notice who wants to go to a playgroup, or notice who might just … if we just slow down long enough, everything we need is right in front of us. Whatever season we’re in. Because God wants us to have this connection.
And so that’s kind of where … it sounds so basic, like, “Okay, today I’m just going to notice.” Like that is so not satisfying.
Amy: It is basic. And that is one of the … it’s so basic, and that is one of the reasons that I just … I call myself a hospitality cheerleader. Somebody said to me the other day, they said, I was filling out a document, and they said, “What would you call yourself? Like if we were going to refer to you as something?” I was like … “I don’t know,” I mean, I’m not a retailer … I mean, I am a retailer, but that’s not really my thing, and I cook on TV, but that’s not really my thing and I was like, “You know what, everything I do goes back to hospitality cheerleader.” Because, it is so basic. It’s so basic. And again-
Amy: I go back to all the years I did it wrong, and I thought it just had to look like this, it had to taste like this, it had to sound like this, feel like this, whatever, and I’m like, “This is so not what it is.” It is just inviting people into your life, and investing, and being intentional, and being considerate, and being deliberate, and bring cake. I mean, that’s the part I’ve got.
Kristin: And bring cake.
Amy: If you can bring cake, you have won a heart over. I mean, you’ve got somebody’s heart. And so, I say this often, that food is the means to an end. The end is to change lives for the better. So food is the means to the end. It’s just, “Hey, I’m going to have pizza tonight, y’all want to come over?” Pizza will get anybody anywhere. You say-
Amy: “I’ve got a pan of Hello Dolly blondies, or brownies, or whatever, I’ve got lemon … I just made a whole bunch of lemon bars. And we … ” Yes, right?
Kristin: I’m on my way. On my way.
Amy: “We can’t eat them all tonight, y’all come over and sit outside, it’s pretty.” The food is the means to the end. The end is to get into their lives and be intentional, and considerate, and deliberate, and find out about people, and invest in people, and to change lives for the better, and share the goodness of God in their lives. And so, that’s … it is basic. It is so basic. And I think that’s part of the reason that I shout it from the mountain. It’s so basic. But it’s so big. And that’s the thing.
“The end is to get into their lives and be intentional, and considerate, and deliberate, and find out about people, and invest in people, and to change lives for the better, and share the goodness of God in their lives.” – Amy Hannon
Kristin: It is. Well and that’s just the upside down-ness of God-
Kristin: Is that it’s something so small and so basic, but it is, it’s so powerful. I’m going to quote you again to you, because … because why not. And this is just, to me, it’s so simple and so basic, but it’s so … “Food speaks love.”
“Food speaks love.” – Kristin Schell
Amy: I know.
Kristin: I mean, those are three words. “Food speaks love.” And you do it. Okay, so, here’s what I want to do. Because I want to … because you and I obviously could talk all day. But tell … okay, so in your cookbook, so now we’ve talked about food, we know food speaks love, and I’ve given my favorite, share with us … what’s a simple favorite recipe?
Amy: It’s like choosing your children. Like I …
Kristin: I know, I know. But I’m asking anyway, girlfriend.
Comfort Food For The Win
Amy: I’ll tell you. Okay, so my cookbook, I’m going to have to put it in two categories, because I can’t, I can’t do it. In the cookbook, the little subtitle … subtitle? That would be if we were doing it in a different language. Sub … tagline? Tagline, okay. Recipes that gather And give, which is recipes, which you just said, which I completely love, and I really do think it’s in your book. I have recipes in there that I go to for when I gather people, because they’re easy, they’re belly fillers, they’re comfort food, I don’t have to slave over it, because I don’t want to be slaving over food, and get myself all tightly wound and worked up and hot before I have people over. I want to be lovely and at peace, and happy, and welcoming.
So, my favorite gathering recipe in the book is brown sugar chili over cheese grits. It’s unbelievable. I mean, we have served that to so many people. So many people. It is canned beans, it’s chili, there are some seasonings in there that are going to surprise you, there’s brown sugar in it, which makes it a little bit sweet. It’s a little bit spicy. And you ladle it over a bowl of cheese grits, and let me tell you what, it is a crowd pleaser, and it’s simple. Simple, simple, simple. So that’s my favorite gathering recipe.
My favorite giving recipe is my chicken pot pie. There is nothing…
Kristin: Oh yes. Oh yes.
Amy: More comforting than chicken and cream, wrapped in crust. There is just nothing … notice I didn’t say the vegetables, because really. It is my favorite giving recipe, it is rich, and hearty, and it is kind of a one dish meal, you can take it in a throwaway aluminum pan if you’re going to share a compassion meal with someone. Gosh, it’s good, it makes me want to make one, it’s actually cold here today, and it makes me want to go make a pot pie. But it is really good, and you can make it in advance-
Kristin: I know.
Amy: You can bake the whole thing and you can take it somebody. You can make it in advance and freeze it, unbaked, and take it someone. It’s amazing reheated, I mean it is … I would say that one and probably the chicken enchiladas and the brown sugar chili are probably my three most reviewed, like the ones I hear people say, “Oh my gosh, this one … ” And again, it’s all pretty easy stuff, it’s basic, but it sure tastes good, does the trick.
Kristin: It does. And I mean, it does the trick ten times over. And then I love, too, so I’m just going to kind of walk everyone through the … you give this, so you talk about … you spell it out, like you say … I mean, there’s a whole end of the book, recipes that gather, and you give the menu, and the … it’s like you hold our hand, all the way through the process, and then you’ve got the whole section on recipes that give. And so, I love that gather and give, because sometimes we’re gathering people at that table, and sometimes we just need to love on them where they are.
Amy: Well, sometimes their situation doesn’t allow for them to come into your home. The greater need is for them to be cared for at home, so we have some friends that have a child that is slowly dying, and it just the most heartbreaking thing to watch, and every mother’s heart is with them, and they can’t come to our house. But she could sure use some food. And so we just … they’re house is on the way to my husband’s work, so any time we have a little something, we just send it. Sometimes it’s once a week, sometimes it’s once a month, it just kind of … whatever we’ve got, just to love them, and so sometimes giving food and getting it to their doorstep is hospitality as well. It’s like exporting hospitality speaks volumes just as well.
Kristin: I love that. Oh, you are … you are such a delight. I mean, I just don’t want this to be over at all.
Amy: We like each other, and we’re our people, you’re my people.
Kristin: I mean … and I hope that all of our people that are listening are just so encouraged, and okay, so tell us where’s the best place for people to find you? Again, everyone, I’ll have this in the show notes, but if you can’t even wait for the show notes, like where can people find you right now?
Amy: Well, I’d say I’m probably the most active and alive, and things are happening and interactive, on my Instagram. Which is Euna Mae’s, which nobody knows how to spell it, you should see all of the ways. But, it’s E-U … E-U-N-A, that’s what people never know. But if you start to type in E-U-N-A for Euna, it’s going to pop up, I think we’re the only ones. So, I would say that’s probably where I interact the most, I try to answer as many questions, and DMs, and all of that as I can. People are like, “Do I pour the cream on the enchiladas now, or can I wait til tomorrow?” And I’m like, “You can wait.” And so I really do try to answer everybody’s questions and help them cook, and help encourage making and sharing food.
And then I have shopeunamaes.com where I have my cookbook, and some of our little exclusive things that say “Love, Welcome, Serve”. And then from shopeunamaes.com, you can click over a little tab that says “recipes” and I upload some new recipes, and ideas for like holiday menus and things like that are on my food blog, so … We are probably the only “Euna-Anything.” And so you search Euna, or Euna Mae, and we’re going to show right up, we’re easy to find, I think.
Kristin: Yeah. Oh, that’s awesome.
Amy: I know, right?
Kristin: Hey, good branding on your great grandmother’s part, she had no idea that that name of hers was perfect. Well thank you for your time, thank you for just inspiring us all just by the way you live. And inviting us into that.
Amy: You’re awesome.
Kristin: So, it’s been a pleasure-
Amy: I can’t wait to sit at a Turquoise Table with you, let’s do it. I’ll bring cake.
Amy: Thank you, sister.
Kristin: Thank you.
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Kristin Makes a Favorite Recipe from Amy Hannon
Kristin: Hello, and welcome to my kitchen. I’m standing in front of my stove, you may be able to hear a little bacon. I mean, is there anything better than bacon? I wish y’all could smell this, I’m serious. Anyway, I’ve got a little bacon going, because I was so inspired by our conversation with Amy, that I am going to make the Sunday Red Beans and Rice, which is the recipe I told you about in my conversation with her, which I hope you loved.
So, while the bacon’s cooking … well, first I want to give a huge shout out to my Shipt shopper. Y’all, Kelly just brought me all the things I needed to make this recipe, plus to feed my family over the whole weekend. And so anyway, thank you, Shipt shopper Kelly.
What she brought me, so here’s what you need to know for Sunday Red Beans and Rice. It is, like Amy said, so easy. Sausage, two pounds of smoked sausage. I use a local brand, because we’re in Texas, and hello, I love it. But and then I’ve got six slices of bacon going in the background, and I’m telling you, if you could smell that it would be great. A bell pepper, little bit of onion, some garlic, little bit of flour for that rue that we talked about. We are going to get three 14 ounce cans of red beans, and you’re going to drain those partially. Usually, we talk about rinsing our beans, just to get all that starch and protein off on it, but you want to keep a little bit, because it’s going to help thicken to make the rue, once you add the flour. And then a little bit of beef stock, little bit of creole seasoning, and then two cups of cooked white rice. Y’all, that is it.
So, we are going to have the link to the Sunday Red Beans and Rice, it’s on page 87 of Amy’s book, and y’all, I just cannot tell you enough how much I love it. Love, Welcome, Serve. So, while I’m waiting for my bacon to fry up, I’m going to read you just a little bit about … just to elaborate on her hopes and dreams for you, in this cookbook. And so I’m going to read straight out of her introduction. And she says, “As with my retail store, my social media presence, my loud mouth, and about every other platform that the good Lord has given me, my hope for this book is that you will be encouraged and equipped to live out authentic, intentional, life giving hospitality right there in your kitchens, and in your home.” And I would just add and in your front yard.
So, here’s what she hopes to encourage you to do. “To see that cooking for your family is an enormous privilege, and can create treasured memories and lifelong warm fuzzies. To look out for folks, for people who need to feel that they matter, and invite them into your life to be seen and cared for.” I mean, y’all, that is what our whole mission is about, is being front yard people, to let people know that they belong, that they are seen, and that they are heard.
I just hope that you are encouraged with that. And I just want to leave you with that little tidbit. Okay, also … come on in.
Kristin: I’m filming … I’m taping a podcast.
Mandy: Oh of course.
Kristin: Is that hilarious? Come on it. Okay, so now Mandy, my neighbor just walked in. Hey, Elle. These … we do this live and unscripted, and so their stove is out. Is your stove out? Is that what’s out? And so they came down to bring … to use our stove. So, I have Mandy and Elle, Stoke. And so, and now Sarah’s here, and Mojo, so I’m going to say goodbye, because just like Amy said, family is numero uno, so our my family, and my neighbors. And so, y’all say hi just so everybody can hear your cute voices.
Kristin: Hi, can you say hi?
Kristin: Hi. Yeah, well Mandy, hi.
Kristin: Hi everybody. Okay, until later, and don’t forget while you’re listening, if you would go over to iTunes, or Stitcher, or wherever you are listening, please subscribe, and y’all, if you can leave a review, it helps so much, and it will help other people to … no, they don’t have to be quiet, this is real life. It’ll help other people to find out about what we’re doing.
So, okay, I’m hanging up, and hanging out, and doing whatever because we’ve got stuff to do, and I know you do too. Thank you for being here with me, until later. Gather and love.
Narrator: That’s it for today’s show. Thanks for listening. You’ll find a complete transcript of this episode at TheTurquoiseTable.com/podcast. Also, be sure to subscribe to the Turquoise Table podcast on iTunes, and leave us a review. Until next time, gather small and love deep.